tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post3813930853121612192..comments2021-10-05T19:44:46.905+02:00Comments on BerlinBites: More History GoneJon Lebkowskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16248713335392018033noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-35507538271787410162007-03-07T19:55:00.000+01:002007-03-07T19:55:00.000+01:00I can't imagine the caberet in the Dreispitzpassag...I can't imagine the caberet in the Dreispitzpassage being very entertaining with that atmosphere around the place. Though: all it needs is an Irish Pub and you'd have a slightly more dowdy version of the Europa-Center.daggihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022009818282469503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-72412046138472303162007-03-06T18:19:00.000+01:002007-03-06T18:19:00.000+01:00here we have it:Ein grober Fehler ist dem Land Ber...<A HREF="http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner-zeitung/archiv/.bin/dump.fcgi/2007/0112/lokales/0041/index.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> we have it:<BR/><I>Ein grober Fehler ist dem Land Berlin außerdem beim Verkauf des Grundstücks zwischen Friedrichstraße und Spreeufer am Tränenpalast unterlaufen. Weil das Land auch eine Fläche, die der Bahn gehörte und auf die es einen Restitutionsanspruch gab, mit verkaufte, konnte der Investor nicht bauen. Er forderte nach vier Jahren 45 Millionen Euro Schadensersatz. Dazu kam es nicht, aber das Land Berlin erstattete dem Investor im Jahr 2004 die Hälfte seines Kaufpreises (rund acht Millionen Euro) und gab ihm angrenzende Grundstücke dazu.</I><BR/><BR/>So Berlin gave back half the purchase price and added in some land free.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.berlinonline.de/berliner-zeitung/archiv/.bin/dump.fcgi/2006/0930/lokales/0060/index.html" REL="nofollow">This article</A> says planning permission for the new building has been granted under the condition that the Tränenpalast is not, in any way, knocked down, even accidentally.<BR/><BR/>As a side note, during the 20s there was a plan to erect a tower by Mies van der Rohe on the site.<BR/><BR/>@daggi: you had fields? Luxury. When I were a lad we had to grind our fields from bare rock using only our fingernails.<BR/><BR/>Talking of GDR shopping centres, try out the eerily empty Dreispitz-Passage a bit further up the Friedrichstraße.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-10243913088710355552007-03-06T13:32:00.000+01:002007-03-06T13:32:00.000+01:00The GDR did have plans to build a shopping centre ...The GDR did have plans to build a shopping centre (aimed, presumably, at getting as much money out of western visitors as possible) on the site of that park, but the collapse of the state got rather in the way - so when it came to destroying urban green spaces on the Friedrichstraße the Stalinists were just as bad as the capitalists.daggihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022009818282469503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-46232090687915051982007-03-06T13:25:00.000+01:002007-03-06T13:25:00.000+01:00See? This is why I do this blog; my readers are mu...See? This is why I do this blog; my readers are much smarter and better-informed than I am. Although, mind you, between mountpenguin, daggi, and the two people I talked to before I wrote that, we now have four variations on the story. <BR/><BR/>daggi's memory of the park on the south side of the station is absolutely correct (and I referred to it in the post: while the ground floor does indeed have those oh-so-necessary tenants, the upper floors seem to be, like so many other of Berlin's office buildings, pretty much deserted.<BR/><BR/>And so nice of William to be concerned about the social ecology of this situation, too. There should probably be a Gutter Punk Museum somewhere in Kreuzberg for them.Ed Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805932361842578943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-22679720281120792272007-03-06T12:41:00.000+01:002007-03-06T12:41:00.000+01:00where will our little gutter punk friends go? the ...where will our little gutter punk friends go? the ones that were usually to be found scaring the tourists at the traffic light? can't we get them protected as an endangered species?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-983495493547007952007-03-05T23:24:00.000+01:002007-03-05T23:24:00.000+01:00Are you sure it's being pulled down? Never mind th...Are you sure it's being pulled down? Never mind the Denkmalschutz, here's the Berliner Senat: I thought the trees were going and it (the Tränenpalast) would be boxed in by office blocks, and the Tränenpalast would become some kind of government-run Berlin Wall memorial-museum thing. That was the last thing I read (about 3 weeks ago, in the Berliner Zeitung) anyway.<BR/><BR/>Without trying to sound all Monty Python, when I was a lad, all around Bahnhof Friedrichstraße was just fields (I mean, the space where the Finnish Cultural Insitute, the Sparda-Bank, a Vietnamese Restaurant, Rossmann, Jokers, the Sparda-Bank...and offices; was a park).daggihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022009818282469503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-26272777642110972462007-03-05T21:18:00.000+01:002007-03-05T21:18:00.000+01:00For once, this is one thing Deutsche Bahn can't be...For once, this is one thing Deutsche Bahn can't be blamed for: instead the incompetents can be found somewhere in Berlin's government (I bet you were surprised to hear that). Can't recall the whole sordid story off the top of my head, but they sold the ground to a developer without realising parts of it weren't their to sell, and what they did sell was at a ridiculously low price, and they ended up dishing out millions in compensation to DB and / or the current owner, or something. And made a complete pig's ear of the <I>Denkmalschutz</I> to boot.<BR/><BR/>The TV tower should be safe as the structure is actually worth something (if only as a giant advertising pillar for Viagra).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com