tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post116326148757788670..comments2021-10-05T19:44:46.905+02:00Comments on BerlinBites: Death In The StreetsJon Lebkowskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16248713335392018033noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163543027048038872006-11-14T23:23:00.000+01:002006-11-14T23:23:00.000+01:00Many thanks, Ed. Sorry to have contributed to the ...Many thanks, Ed. Sorry to have contributed to the troubles by poking at jimmy. I've added moderation to my blog as well. Man!Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11146172146418891831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163542244504741802006-11-14T23:10:00.000+01:002006-11-14T23:10:00.000+01:00We've now got moderation on comments, Olaf. Jimmy'...We've now got moderation on comments, Olaf. Jimmy's out, and you're welcome to remain. I'll delete that spoofed comment, too. <BR/><BR/>Very sorry; this isn't the only blog he's doing this to.Ed Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805932361842578943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163542079000243202006-11-14T23:07:00.000+01:002006-11-14T23:07:00.000+01:00Oh great. Little Jimmy is spoofing my blog address...Oh great. Little Jimmy is spoofing my blog address.<BR/><BR/>Clever boy.Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11146172146418891831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163541794691783482006-11-14T23:03:00.000+01:002006-11-14T23:03:00.000+01:00Great, now Jimmy is spoofing my address--I won't b...Great, now Jimmy is spoofing my address--I won't be commenting here anymore. The 9:18 post was not mine.<BR/><BR/>I'm out. Thanks a lot, asshole.Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11146172146418891831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163535497890616302006-11-14T21:18:00.001+01:002006-11-14T21:18:00.001+01:00Oh gosh thanks teach! Yes lets all strive beigely ...Oh gosh thanks teach! Yes lets all strive beigely for clarity.Jimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18284416001554911018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163523988281266102006-11-14T18:06:00.000+01:002006-11-14T18:06:00.000+01:00I was commenting on Ed's style, not necessarily hi...I was commenting on Ed's style, not necessarily his content. While he and I may disagree about Berlin (I loved it in the 1970s and love it even more now, though admittedly only a tourist these days), Ed knows how to write solid, readable prose and how to structure an essay. There are a lot of people who want to write like Foucault or Zizek, but very, very few can actually pull it off, so it's best to avoid attempted profundity in favor of clarity.Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11146172146418891831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163508355233276232006-11-14T13:45:00.000+01:002006-11-14T13:45:00.000+01:00"Learn from Ed's fine example of intelligent yet t..."Learn from Ed's fine example of intelligent yet thoroughly accessible prose"<BR/><BR/>while whining all the time about how crap Germany is - move to Ludwigshafen, it's great there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163448524667390092006-11-13T21:08:00.000+01:002006-11-13T21:08:00.000+01:00Jimmy the Hyena, for heaven's sake, at least in th...Jimmy the Hyena, for heaven's sake, at least in that first paragraph, tighten up your text. Is "beige" worse than "opaque"? <BR/><BR/>"A new mode of obtaining power of mind over mind, in a quantity hitherto without example: and that, to a degree equally without example, secured by whoever chooses to have it so, against abuse." <BR/><BR/>WTF? Strive for clarity, directness, making each word earn its place. Learn from Ed's fine example of intelligent yet thoroughly accessible prose. Please! You're killing me.Olafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11146172146418891831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163443399342588012006-11-13T19:43:00.000+01:002006-11-13T19:43:00.000+01:00Regardless of one's position on the death penalty,...Regardless of one's position on the death penalty, as long as the man wasn't executed just so that NIH or von Hagen could help themselves to his body there is no connection and I think it's acceptable.<BR/><BR/>I find this dead body parts worship pretty off-putting and morally irresponsible. There are huge transplants waiting lists and many needless deaths because of this silliness.<BR/><BR/>wi11iam13, if you like this line of work I am told the <A HREF="http://www.i-med.ac.at/ahe/institut/museum-de.html" REL="nofollow">Anatomical Museum</A> in Innsbruck holds some interesting specimen. Stupidly I never got around to seeing them while I lived in Innsbruck, so I can't tell if they are truly worth the visit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163429331766780682006-11-13T15:48:00.000+01:002006-11-13T15:48:00.000+01:00Ummm..the medical community. I just googled the t...Ummm..the medical community. I just googled the topic a little bit and came up with this link http://venus.soci.niu.edu/~archives/ABOLISH/rick-halperin/may02/0366.html.<BR/>Joseph Paul Jerrigan didn't know this was going to happen to his body! It sounds like lots of death row inmates are being counseled to sign their bodies over to science and because they are mostly still healthy, no one seems to be thinking twice. Probably because a lot of people don't have a problem with the death penalty. But if you are against the death penalty, you can't condone benefiting from it. Oder? On a funnier note, at the end of this article, which I think orginally appeared in the Houston Chronicle, there'a a bit about the Germans being obsessed with the case and sending over a half-dozen film crews. Typisch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163425626537446782006-11-13T14:47:00.000+01:002006-11-13T14:47:00.000+01:00Ummm, who's this "we" you're talking about?Ummm, who's this "we" you're talking about?Ed Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805932361842578943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163424652478113802006-11-13T14:30:00.000+01:002006-11-13T14:30:00.000+01:00Yes, the death row case is different in many aspec...Yes, the death row case is different in many aspects. But if you are against the death penalty wherever it is, you may see there is a moral dilemna in taking advantage of a decision made by a man under those circumstances. He gave his consent but only after living under the conditions of knowing he would be put to death - most human rights organizations would call those inhuman conditions. I am not sure if we are giving him the right to give his life meaning as he sees fit, or if we took advantage of an inhumane situation...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163407090709870302006-11-13T09:38:00.000+01:002006-11-13T09:38:00.000+01:00ah yes, the last time i was in Paris i had wanted ...ah yes, the last time i was in Paris i had wanted to make over to see the exquisite work by Fragonard, but alas it was not to be. Gonzalez-Crussi has a fascinating text on this "Suspended Animation - Six Essays on the Preservation of Bodily Parts"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163367789318866242006-11-12T22:43:00.000+01:002006-11-12T22:43:00.000+01:00Sorry that should have been Maisons-Alfort. As a f...Sorry that should have been Maisons-Alfort. As a frenchman myself I have no excuse!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163367481011907412006-11-12T22:38:00.000+01:002006-11-12T22:38:00.000+01:00Granting that the chinese provenance of the bodie...Granting that the chinese provenance of the bodies is unfortunate to say the least, I really think the comment by the Sauerkrautmeister was a cheap shot and I absolutely fail to see what Hagen's work has to do with Auschwitz and Mengele. For one thing Fragonard (not the painter but his cousin Honoré Fragonard) was doing the same thing in the 1770s. His écorchés. also very artsy, can be seen in Maison-Alfort and are not for the faint of heart. More generally it is part of a long tradition of turning anatomy into art. <BR/><BR/>Rather than waste ink over Mengele, you should ask yourself how it is that the most squeamish response to von Hagen's work to date and to his (eventually successful) attempt to conduct a public dissection there has come from the British government, the same bunch of holier-than-thou, pomaded and razor-creased thugs who have no problem with blowing up very live bodies in Iraq and elsewhere by the truckload. That might be a more fruitful line of inquiry. <BR/><BR/>anonymous, you are referring to the <A HREF="http://www.nlm.nih.gov/research/visible/visible_human.html" REL="nofollow"> Visible Human Project</A>. Again, I am totally baffled as to why anyone would have a problem with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163360849388377722006-11-12T20:47:00.000+01:002006-11-12T20:47:00.000+01:00more murky provenance here...http://en.rian.ru/rus...more murky provenance here...<BR/>http://en.rian.ru/russia/20061103/55345996.html<BR/><BR/>and let us not forget Alistair Cooke<BR/>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,11069-1956952,00.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163345766596985352006-11-12T16:36:00.000+01:002006-11-12T16:36:00.000+01:00A very beige answer! Your proto-beigecrat antecede...A very beige answer! Your proto-beigecrat antecedents the New England puritains would be proud. Of course those that China executes are innocent and those that America eliminates are going happily to their well merited ends and trying to make their bodies "useful" at last in some little way. It'd be ultra cool if the clients in the animatronic plastinated bordello were CHAV's in Manchester or Arsenal jerseys and burberry caps with maybe an American frat boy or two.Jimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18284416001554911018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163340249640372302006-11-12T15:04:00.000+01:002006-11-12T15:04:00.000+01:00The death row case is quite different. A company w...The death row case is quite different. A company was looking to do a digital micro-dissection to publish as a medical reference and needed a male and a female corpse, each in reasonably fit condition, to use as subjects. The woman's identity remains a mystery, and the only reason we know about the man is that he wanted it known that he saw this as an act of penance for the life or lives he'd taken. These documents are available to medical libraries and teaching facilities and are horrendously expensive, as they should be.Ed Wardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17805932361842578943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163336261805314342006-11-12T13:57:00.000+01:002006-11-12T13:57:00.000+01:00He's had to drop the faux-"Professor" title, and I...He's had to drop the faux-"Professor" title, and I suspect he's not really a "von" either. All that fat around, no wonder he dresses up at Beuys.<BR/><BR/>On a positive point, the show was a flop in London.daggihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05022009818282469503noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163336102121010502006-11-12T13:55:00.000+01:002006-11-12T13:55:00.000+01:00I think Hagens said if you put his hand over fire,...I think Hagens said if you put his hand over fire, he couldn't 100% swear that none of his bodies or parts of the bodies were from executed Chinese. I vaguely remember reading this maybe in the Spiegel when the China controvsey was heating up. He also has a "facility" in Uzebekistan. With that in mind and his cavalier attitude to it, I think as well that is is way shocking that Germans or whoever don't demand that this freak be put out of business. There was something similar in the states, in that a man on death row gave his body for a similar process...some sort of 3-D imaging, can't remember, but find it problematic as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163335765496857922006-11-12T13:49:00.000+01:002006-11-12T13:49:00.000+01:00The man should do some animatronic plastinators li...The man should do some animatronic plastinators like in Disneyland. That'd be especially groovy in the bordello. Like say a plasticated dominatrix whipping a plastinated client who's handcuffed to a bed and squirming in pleasure/pain. It be much better than Pirates of the Carribean, nicht wahr?Jimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18284416001554911018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163332323317950282006-11-12T12:52:00.000+01:002006-11-12T12:52:00.000+01:00ah yes von Hagens, love the stuff! and now with t...ah yes von Hagens, love the stuff! and now with the murky provenance of the new work it has become sort of Burke and Hare for the globalized society...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163321288651899952006-11-12T09:48:00.000+01:002006-11-12T09:48:00.000+01:00Hey, what about a plastinated bordello. A plastina...Hey, what about a plastinated bordello. A plastinated woman on display at the window in provocative lingerie. Inside the morbidly literalist clients could be checking out the line up of human machine sex workers.Jimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18284416001554911018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7052429.post-1163266088692313892006-11-11T18:28:00.000+01:002006-11-11T18:28:00.000+01:00Sounds cool! Maybe you could sign up to be plastic...Sounds cool! Maybe you could sign up to be plasticated then kill yourself Ed. That'd be one way out of Berlin.Jimbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18284416001554911018noreply@blogger.com